Discussion:
Lying To The Ignorant, Gullible & Uneducated Is Our Only Hope To Defeat The Scientific Facts Of Global Warming
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Neolibertarian
2010-11-04 04:34:33 UTC
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Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their views into the
media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters accountable
No, what you need to do is:

Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.

Work only during daylight hours.

Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.

Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a furnace or a
computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of those devices.

Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as long
as you catch it yourself.

In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
---Ronald Reagan
Veronica Karlsson
2010-11-04 11:24:35 UTC
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Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their views into the
media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a furnace or a
computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as long
as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
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kachina
2010-11-04 19:13:04 UTC
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Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their views
into the media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters
accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a furnace
or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of those
devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as
long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
been there, done that, had to make the t-shirt too. for about 6 years,
including the time that i was attending college, i lived with no running
water, no transportation [others drove me], no phone, no tv, cooked and
heated with a wood-burning stove, hunted most of my meat, grew most of my
vegetables, canned them open-kettle on that woodburner, juiced fruit to
can jelly for the winter using apples for pectin, made my own booze, etc.
the meat that i didn't catch myself i got from other people who would
give me the meat in trade for skinning their game, they were selling
skins.

i typed my papers on an old typewriter, used an oil lamp for light, and
used the computers at the college as needed. i spun wool on a spinning
wheel to knit things that i needed.

i am very fond of electricity. i do have to mention that cooking on a
ceramic-top stove is very similar to cooking on a wood-burner, in a good
way.
--
@}`-,-- *with bells and motley*
NeoLibertarian
2010-11-05 11:34:47 UTC
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Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their views
into the media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters
accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a furnace
or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of those
devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as
long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
been there, done that, had to make the t-shirt too. for about 6 years,
including the time that  i was attending college, i lived with no running
water, no transportation [others drove me], no phone, no tv, cooked and
heated with a wood-burning stove, hunted most of my meat, grew most of my
vegetables, canned them open-kettle on that woodburner, juiced fruit to
can jelly for the winter using apples for pectin, made my own booze, etc.
the meat that i didn't catch myself i got from other people who would
give me the meat in trade for skinning their game, they were selling
skins.  
A proto-capitalist!
Post by kachina
i typed my papers on an old typewriter, used an oil lamp for light, and
used the computers at the college as needed. i spun wool on a spinning
wheel to knit things that i needed.
You are so lucky. If only I had had oil for a lamp or a spinning wheel
when /I/ was in school!

And what I wouldn't have given for an old Smith-Corona! I had to write
all my college papers by hand, but I had to make it LOOK like they
were done with a typewriter (the professors wouldn't accept them
unless they thought they'd been typed). I had to forge the Courier
Typeface with a black ball-point pen, printing in a perfectly straight
line, evenly spacing all the letters. By candlelight. On paper towel
rolls I'd stolen from the local Shell Station's restroom. I had to
bleach the roll and then cut it up into 8 1/2" by 11" sheets. It must
have been so EASY just to type your papers on a typewriter with pre-
made typewriter paper!

Kids today have it so easy.

You must be from a rich family or something.
Post by kachina
i am very fond of electricity. i do have to mention that cooking on a
ceramic-top stove is very similar to cooking on a wood-burner, in a good
way.
Except you have to miss out on the chopping, of course. Which was
always my favorite part.

--
Neolibertarian
kachina
2010-11-05 17:21:49 UTC
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Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind
pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters
accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of
those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as
long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
been there, done that, had to make the t-shirt too. for about 6
years, including the time that  i was attending college, i lived with
no runni
ng
Post by kachina
water, no transportation [others drove me], no phone, no tv, cooked
and heated with a wood-burning stove, hunted most of my meat, grew
most of my vegetables, canned them open-kettle on that woodburner,
juiced fruit to can jelly for the winter using apples for pectin,
made my own booze, etc. the meat that i didn't catch myself i got
from other people who would give me the meat in trade for skinning
their game, they were selling skins.  
A proto-capitalist!
Post by kachina
i typed my papers on an old typewriter, used an oil lamp for light,
and used the computers at the college as needed. i spun wool on a
spinning wheel to knit things that i needed.
You are so lucky. If only I had had oil for a lamp or a spinning wheel
when /I/ was in school!
And what I wouldn't have given for an old Smith-Corona! I had to write
all my college papers by hand, but I had to make it LOOK like they
were done with a typewriter (the professors wouldn't accept them
unless they thought they'd been typed). I had to forge the Courier
Typeface with a black ball-point pen, printing in a perfectly straight
line, evenly spacing all the letters. By candlelight. On paper towel
rolls I'd stolen from the local Shell Station's restroom. I had to
bleach the roll and then cut it up into 8 1/2" by 11" sheets. It must
have been so EASY just to type your papers on a typewriter with pre-
made typewriter paper!
Kids today have it so easy.
You must be from a rich family or something.
Post by kachina
i am very fond of electricity. i do have to mention that cooking on a
ceramic-top stove is very similar to cooking on a wood-burner, in a
good way.
Except you have to miss out on the chopping, of course. Which was
always my favorite part.
--
Neolibertarian
are you a troll?
--
@}`-,-- *with bells and motley*
kachina
2010-11-05 18:35:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by kachina
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind
pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters
accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of
those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as
long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
been there, done that, had to make the t-shirt too. for about 6
years, including the time that  i was attending college, i lived with
no runni
ng
Post by kachina
water, no transportation [others drove me], no phone, no tv, cooked
and heated with a wood-burning stove, hunted most of my meat, grew
most of my vegetables, canned them open-kettle on that woodburner,
juiced fruit to can jelly for the winter using apples for pectin,
made my own booze, etc. the meat that i didn't catch myself i got
from other people who would give me the meat in trade for skinning
their game, they were selling skins.  
A proto-capitalist!
Post by kachina
i typed my papers on an old typewriter, used an oil lamp for light,
and used the computers at the college as needed. i spun wool on a
spinning wheel to knit things that i needed.
You are so lucky. If only I had had oil for a lamp or a spinning wheel
when /I/ was in school!
And what I wouldn't have given for an old Smith-Corona! I had to write
all my college papers by hand, but I had to make it LOOK like they
were done with a typewriter (the professors wouldn't accept them
unless they thought they'd been typed). I had to forge the Courier
Typeface with a black ball-point pen, printing in a perfectly straight
line, evenly spacing all the letters. By candlelight. On paper towel
rolls I'd stolen from the local Shell Station's restroom. I had to
bleach the roll and then cut it up into 8 1/2" by 11" sheets. It must
have been so EASY just to type your papers on a typewriter with pre-
made typewriter paper!
Kids today have it so easy.
You must be from a rich family or something.
Post by kachina
i am very fond of electricity. i do have to mention that cooking on a
ceramic-top stove is very similar to cooking on a wood-burner, in a
good way.
Except you have to miss out on the chopping, of course. Which was
always my favorite part.
--
Neolibertarian
are you a troll?
i always find it interesting when someone's response to someone else's
story is mockery, instead of questions or comments or comparisons.
veronica or kali or rhonda might be interested in why i did this, or have
questions of some sort. smee or pandora or checkmate might have done
similar things in their lives. sneezy would have something worth saying.
even gweggy might have insight into my reasons, although he would be
wrong of course.

you, however, take a snarky mocking tone and try to get a laugh out of
it. it really says more about you than you probably meant to say.

btw, i also had to walk to school 5 miles, uphill, both ways. ;)
--
@}`-,-- *with bells and motley*
NeoLibertarian
2010-11-06 10:33:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by kachina
Post by kachina
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters
accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of
those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as
long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
been there, done that, had to make the t-shirt too. for about 6
years, including the time that  i was attending college, i lived with
no runni
ng
Post by kachina
water, no transportation [others drove me], no phone, no tv, cooked
and heated with a wood-burning stove, hunted most of my meat, grew
most of my vegetables, canned them open-kettle on that woodburner,
juiced fruit to can jelly for the winter using apples for pectin,
made my own booze, etc. the meat that i didn't catch myself i got
from other people who would give me the meat in trade for skinning
their game, they were selling skins.  
A proto-capitalist!
Post by kachina
i typed my papers on an old typewriter, used an oil lamp for light,
and used the computers at the college as needed. i spun wool on a
spinning wheel to knit things that i needed.
You are so lucky. If only I had had oil for a lamp or a spinning wheel
when /I/ was in school!
And what I wouldn't have given for an old Smith-Corona! I had to write
all my college papers by hand, but I had to make it LOOK like they
were done with a typewriter (the professors wouldn't accept them
unless they thought they'd been typed). I had to forge the Courier
Typeface with a black ball-point pen, printing in a perfectly straight
line, evenly spacing all the letters. By candlelight. On paper towel
rolls I'd stolen from the local Shell Station's restroom. I had to
bleach the roll and then cut it up into 8 1/2" by 11" sheets. It must
have been so EASY just to type your papers on a typewriter with pre-
made typewriter paper!
Kids today have it so easy.
You must be from a rich family or something.
Post by kachina
i am very fond of electricity. i do have to mention that cooking on a
ceramic-top stove is very similar to cooking on a wood-burner, in a
good way.
Except you have to miss out on the chopping, of course. Which was
always my favorite part.
--
Neolibertarian
are you a troll?
i always find it interesting when someone's response to someone else's
story is mockery, instead of questions or comments or comparisons.
Me too. Which is why I'd never mock anyone on purpose.

After all, I'm not from Yorkshire.
Post by kachina
veronica or kali or rhonda might be interested in why i did this, or have
questions of some sort. smee or pandora or checkmate might have done
similar things in their lives. sneezy would have something worth saying.
even gweggy might have insight into my reasons, although he would be
wrong of course.
you, however, take a snarky mocking tone and try to get a laugh out of
it.
Moi? I took a snarky, mocking tone? You seem to be implying that I
made up the story about printing my college papers out by hand so that
they looked like they were typed on a typewriter.



:-)

You see, I'm a stranger around here. I don't know anything at all
about you or "kali" or "rhonda" or "pandora" or "checkmate" or "smee"
or "sneezy" or even "qeggy."
Post by kachina
it really says more about you than you probably meant to say.
Beyond a doubt.
Post by kachina
btw, i also had to walk to school 5 miles, uphill, both ways. ;)
Oh you were so lucky it was only 5 miles and uphill!

When our house burned down, I was still in grade school. We had to
move onto some vacant land on the other side of a toxic landfill and
lived in a hut made out of scavenged materials. With Dad dead, Mom had
to work in the mill 16 hours a day, so she left me in charge of
feeding and taking care of my 9 younger brothers and sisters. Mom had
to go to work before dawn, so when I got up, the first thing I had to
do was carry my infant brother and sister to the Day Care--seven miles
through the landfill and on the other side of town. When I finally got
back home, I had to wake everyone else and fix them all breakfast.
Since Mom was a Methamphetamine addict, she spent all the money she
made--so we usually didn't have much food in the house. Our morning
meal usually consisted of some fried turnips that I'd raised in my
garden out in the landfill. After breakfast, we all walked the 16
miles to our school.

Did I mention that I was born without a right leg?

Anyway, I always got to school about 20 minutes late, so I had to
serve detention every day after school. Then, after I carried my
brother and sister back home from Day Care, I went to my after-school
job digging graves. The cemetery where I worked was actually an old
granite quarry, so digging a grave usually took about 12 hours with
picks and shovels. Of course the mortician wouldn't hear of allowing
me to use what he called "devil's tools," so he insisted I dig the
graves with just my hands.

When I finally got back home, it was always about dawn. I'd slink into
bed and sigh just before the alarm rang. I then had to take my brother
and sister to the Day Care again.

But at least this was nothing next to what I had to do on the
weekends.

Just don't ask me about the weekends!

--
Neolibertarian
kachina
2010-11-06 19:45:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by kachina
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind
pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog
commenters accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't
be healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any
of those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is
okay, as long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
been there, done that, had to make the t-shirt too. for about 6
years, including the time that  i was attending college, i lived
wi
th
Post by kachina
Post by kachina
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
no runni
ng
Post by kachina
water, no transportation [others drove me], no phone, no tv,
cooked and heated with a wood-burning stove, hunted most of my
meat, grew most of my vegetables, canned them open-kettle on that
woodburner, juiced fruit to can jelly for the winter using apples
for pectin, made my own booze, etc. the meat that i didn't catch
myself i got from other people who would give me the meat in
trade for skinning their game, they were selling skins.  
A proto-capitalist!
Post by kachina
i typed my papers on an old typewriter, used an oil lamp for
light, and used the computers at the college as needed. i spun
wool on a spinning wheel to knit things that i needed.
You are so lucky. If only I had had oil for a lamp or a spinning
wheel when /I/ was in school!
And what I wouldn't have given for an old Smith-Corona! I had to
write all my college papers by hand, but I had to make it LOOK
like they were done with a typewriter (the professors wouldn't
accept them unless they thought they'd been typed). I had to forge
the Courier Typeface with a black ball-point pen, printing in a
perfectly straight line, evenly spacing all the letters. By
candlelight. On paper towel rolls I'd stolen from the local Shell
Station's restroom. I had to bleach the roll and then cut it up
into 8 1/2" by 11" sheets. It must have been so EASY just to type
your papers on a typewriter with pre- made typewriter paper!
Kids today have it so easy.
You must be from a rich family or something.
Post by kachina
i am very fond of electricity. i do have to mention that cooking
on a ceramic-top stove is very similar to cooking on a
wood-burner, in a good way.
Except you have to miss out on the chopping, of course. Which was
always my favorite part.
--
Neolibertarian
are you a troll?
i always find it interesting when someone's response to someone
else's story is mockery, instead of questions or comments or
comparisons.
Me too. Which is why I'd never mock anyone on purpose.
After all, I'm not from Yorkshire.
Post by kachina
veronica or kali or rhonda might be interested in why i did this, or
have questions of some sort. smee or pandora or checkmate might have
done similar things in their lives. sneezy would have something worth
saying. even gweggy might have insight into my reasons, although he
would be wrong of course.
you, however, take a snarky mocking tone and try to get a laugh out
of it.
Moi? I took a snarky, mocking tone? You seem to be implying that I
made up the story about printing my college papers out by hand so that
they looked like they were typed on a typewriter.
http://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo
:-)
You see, I'm a stranger around here. I don't know anything at all
about you or "kali" or "rhonda" or "pandora" or "checkmate" or "smee"
or "sneezy" or even "qeggy."
Post by kachina
it really says more about you than you probably meant to say.
Beyond a doubt.
Post by kachina
btw, i also had to walk to school 5 miles, uphill, both ways. ;)
Oh you were so lucky it was only 5 miles and uphill!
When our house burned down, I was still in grade school. We had to
move onto some vacant land on the other side of a toxic landfill and
lived in a hut made out of scavenged materials. With Dad dead, Mom had
to work in the mill 16 hours a day, so she left me in charge of
feeding and taking care of my 9 younger brothers and sisters. Mom had
to go to work before dawn, so when I got up, the first thing I had to
do was carry my infant brother and sister to the Day Care--seven miles
through the landfill and on the other side of town. When I finally got
back home, I had to wake everyone else and fix them all breakfast.
Since Mom was a Methamphetamine addict, she spent all the money she
made--so we usually didn't have much food in the house. Our morning
meal usually consisted of some fried turnips that I'd raised in my
garden out in the landfill. After breakfast, we all walked the 16
miles to our school.
Did I mention that I was born without a right leg?
Anyway, I always got to school about 20 minutes late, so I had to
serve detention every day after school. Then, after I carried my
brother and sister back home from Day Care, I went to my after-school
job digging graves. The cemetery where I worked was actually an old
granite quarry, so digging a grave usually took about 12 hours with
picks and shovels. Of course the mortician wouldn't hear of allowing
me to use what he called "devil's tools," so he insisted I dig the
graves with just my hands.
When I finally got back home, it was always about dawn. I'd slink into
bed and sigh just before the alarm rang. I then had to take my brother
and sister to the Day Care again.
But at least this was nothing next to what I had to do on the
weekends.
Just don't ask me about the weekends!
--
Neolibertarian
you had weekends? when i was growing up every day was a monday.
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NeoLibertarian
2010-11-06 10:30:13 UTC
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Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters
accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of
those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as
long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
been there, done that, had to make the t-shirt too. for about 6
years, including the time that i was attending college, i lived with
no runni
ng
Post by kachina
water, no transportation [others drove me], no phone, no tv, cooked
and heated with a wood-burning stove, hunted most of my meat, grew
most of my vegetables, canned them open-kettle on that woodburner,
juiced fruit to can jelly for the winter using apples for pectin,
made my own booze, etc. the meat that i didn't catch myself i got
from other people who would give me the meat in trade for skinning
their game, they were selling skins.
A proto-capitalist!
Post by kachina
i typed my papers on an old typewriter, used an oil lamp for light,
and used the computers at the college as needed. i spun wool on a
spinning wheel to knit things that i needed.
You are so lucky. If only I had had oil for a lamp or a spinning wheel
when /I/ was in school!
And what I wouldn't have given for an old Smith-Corona! I had to write
all my college papers by hand, but I had to make it LOOK like they
were done with a typewriter (the professors wouldn't accept them
unless they thought they'd been typed). I had to forge the Courier
Typeface with a black ball-point pen, printing in a perfectly straight
line, evenly spacing all the letters. By candlelight. On paper towel
rolls I'd stolen from the local Shell Station's restroom. I had to
bleach the roll and then cut it up into 8 1/2" by 11" sheets. It must
have been so EASY just to type your papers on a typewriter with pre-
made typewriter paper!
Kids today have it so easy.
You must be from a rich family or something.
Post by kachina
i am very fond of electricity. i do have to mention that cooking on a
ceramic-top stove is very similar to cooking on a wood-burner, in a
good way.
Except you have to miss out on the chopping, of course. Which was
always my favorite part.
--
Neolibertarian
are you a troll?
I admit that it seems I was duped into cross-posting to "alt.fan.karl-
malden.nose", "alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk" and
"alt.horror.werewolves."

Forgive me for saying so, but I would think that, in general,
considering the neighborhood, such a question would be superfluous.

--
Neolibertarian
kachina
2010-11-06 20:07:33 UTC
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Post by kachina
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog
commenters
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking
at
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of
those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as
long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
been there, done that, had to make the t-shirt too. for about 6
years, including the time that i was attending college, i lived with
no runni
ng
Post by kachina
water, no transportation [others drove me], no phone, no tv, cooked
and heated with a wood-burning stove, hunted most of my meat, grew
most of my vegetables, canned them open-kettle on that woodburner,
juiced fruit to can jelly for the winter using apples for pectin,
made my own booze, etc. the meat that i didn't catch myself i got
from other people who would give me the meat in trade for skinning
their game, they were selling skins.
A proto-capitalist!
Post by kachina
i typed my papers on an old typewriter, used an oil lamp for light,
and used the computers at the college as needed. i spun wool on a
spinning wheel to knit things that i needed.
You are so lucky. If only I had had oil for a lamp or a spinning wheel
when /I/ was in school!
And what I wouldn't have given for an old Smith-Corona! I had to write
all my college papers by hand, but I had to make it LOOK like they
were done with a typewriter (the professors wouldn't accept them
unless they thought they'd been typed). I had to forge the Courier
Typeface with a black ball-point pen, printing in a perfectly straight
line, evenly spacing all the letters. By candlelight. On paper towel
rolls I'd stolen from the local Shell Station's restroom. I had to
bleach the roll and then cut it up into 8 1/2" by 11" sheets. It must
have been so EASY just to type your papers on a typewriter with pre-
made typewriter paper!
Kids today have it so easy.
You must be from a rich family or something.
Post by kachina
i am very fond of electricity. i do have to mention that cooking on a
ceramic-top stove is very similar to cooking on a wood-burner, in a
good way.
Except you have to miss out on the chopping, of course. Which was
always my favorite part.
--
Neolibertarian
are you a troll?
I admit that it seems I was duped into cross-posting to "alt.fan.karl-
malden.nose", "alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk" and
"alt.horror.werewolves."
Forgive me for saying so, but I would think that, in general,
considering the neighborhood, such a question would be superfluous.
--
Neolibertarian
ooooooh noes, i got stuck in groups of bad reputation! how did this
happen to me? i had such promise, my mama had high hopes for me.....

alt-kiss-my-shiny-metal-ass added.
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NeoLibertarian
2010-11-05 11:16:46 UTC
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Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
My suggestion would be to ONLY change your Usenet name to "an reckless
idiot." Nothing else.

If change your name legally, not only is it a nightmare getting your
Social Security account name changed (unless you're an undocumented
foreign landscape worker), you'll be hit up by a multitude of
political parties to have you run for office.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their views into the
media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
The pre-teen workers at Foxconn think so, too.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Are you a Mamma Grizzly or something?
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a furnace or a
computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Me too. Which is why I'm not much in favor of eliminating coal and oil
by making them too expensive to buy.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as long
as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Not a Grizzly sandwich?
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
Typical Anglisher.

--
Neolibertarian
Veronica Karlsson
2010-11-05 11:19:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
My suggestion would be to ONLY change your Usenet name to "an reckless
idiot." Nothing else.
:-D
Post by NeoLibertarian
If change your name legally, not only is it a nightmare getting your
Social Security account name changed (unless you're an undocumented
foreign landscape worker), you'll be hit up by a multitude of
political parties to have you run for office.
Thanks for the warning!
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their views into the
media by stealth, we need to make blog commenters accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
The pre-teen workers at Foxconn think so, too.
With about three hours or so of daylight in December...
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Are you a Mamma Grizzly or something?
I live at the North Pole. At midsummer the sun is officially "gone" for
an hour or so but it's still daylight.
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a furnace or a
computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Me too. Which is why I'm not much in favor of eliminating coal and oil
by making them too expensive to buy.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as long
as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Not a Grizzly sandwich?
Wouldn't that be cannibalism?
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
Typical Anglisher.
?
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kachina
2010-11-05 17:23:33 UTC
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Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind
pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
My suggestion would be to ONLY change your Usenet name to "an
reckless idiot." Nothing else.
:-D
Post by NeoLibertarian
If change your name legally, not only is it a nightmare getting your
Social Security account name changed (unless you're an undocumented
foreign landscape worker), you'll be hit up by a multitude of
political parties to have you run for office.
Thanks for the warning!
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog
commenters accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
The pre-teen workers at Foxconn think so, too.
With about three hours or so of daylight in December...
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Are you a Mamma Grizzly or something?
I live at the North Pole. At midsummer the sun is officially "gone"
for an hour or so but it's still daylight.
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of
those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Me too. Which is why I'm not much in favor of eliminating coal and
oil by making them too expensive to buy.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay,
as long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Not a Grizzly sandwich?
Wouldn't that be cannibalism?
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
Typical Anglisher.
?
the amish call anybody else english or anglish.
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Veronica Karlsson
2010-11-05 17:26:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
My suggestion would be to ONLY change your Usenet name to "an
reckless idiot." Nothing else.
:-D
Post by NeoLibertarian
If change your name legally, not only is it a nightmare getting your
Social Security account name changed (unless you're an undocumented
foreign landscape worker), you'll be hit up by a multitude of
political parties to have you run for office.
Thanks for the warning!
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog
commenters accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
The pre-teen workers at Foxconn think so, too.
With about three hours or so of daylight in December...
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Are you a Mamma Grizzly or something?
I live at the North Pole. At midsummer the sun is officially "gone"
for an hour or so but it's still daylight.
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of
those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Me too. Which is why I'm not much in favor of eliminating coal and
oil by making them too expensive to buy.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay,
as long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Not a Grizzly sandwich?
Wouldn't that be cannibalism?
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
Typical Anglisher.
?
the amish call anybody else english or anglish.
I'm Swedish, not English (or Anglish).
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2010-11-05 18:08:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by kachina
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Climate denial 'astroturfers' should stop hiding behind
pseudonyms online
This is Usenet. If you don't use a pseudonym, you're an reckless idiot.
*considers changing name to "an reckless idiot"*
My suggestion would be to ONLY change your Usenet name to "an
reckless idiot." Nothing else.
:-D
Post by NeoLibertarian
If change your name legally, not only is it a nightmare getting your
Social Security account name changed (unless you're an undocumented
foreign landscape worker), you'll be hit up by a multitude of
political parties to have you run for office.
Thanks for the warning!
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
To stop oil, coal and electricity companies inserting their
views into the media by stealth, we need to make blog
commenters accountable
Live within walking/bicycling distance from work.
OK
Post by Neolibertarian
Work only during daylight hours.
Oh! That would be nice! (well, during the winter anyway)
The pre-teen workers at Foxconn think so, too.
With about three hours or so of daylight in December...
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Make a hard, fast habit of turning into bed a dusk and awaking at dawn.
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Are you a Mamma Grizzly or something?
I live at the North Pole. At midsummer the sun is officially "gone"
for an hour or so but it's still daylight.
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a
furnace or a computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of
those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Me too. Which is why I'm not much in favor of eliminating coal and
oil by making them too expensive to buy.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay,
as long as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Not a Grizzly sandwich?
Wouldn't that be cannibalism?
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
Typical Anglisher.
?
the amish call anybody else english or anglish.
I'm Swedish, not English (or Anglish).
They will call you Swenglish.
--
Tim Weaver

"No no no no, cigarette smoke always curls toward the nearest non-smoker.
Scientific fact. Physics. Has to do with entropy."
-mimus
NeoLibertarian
2010-11-06 10:27:45 UTC
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Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Are you a Mamma Grizzly or something?
I live at the North Pole.
Awesome!

I wasn't aware the Claus compound had WiFi. But this /is/ 2010, after
all.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
At midsummer the sun is officially "gone" for
an hour or so but it's still daylight.
I suppose that would make for a great tan.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a furnace or a
computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Me too. Which is why I'm not much in favor of eliminating coal and oil
by making them too expensive to buy.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as long
as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Not a Grizzly sandwich?
Wouldn't that be cannibalism?
Ak! My mistake.

I suppose I should have asked if it were actually a Caribou burger.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
Typical Anglisher.
?
Pennsylvania Dutch for "barbarian."

--
Neolibertarian
Veronica Karlsson
2010-11-06 12:34:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
But, I wouldn't get any sleep at all for months. That wouldn't be
healthy.
Are you a Mamma Grizzly or something?
I live at the North Pole.
Awesome!
I wasn't aware the Claus compound had WiFi. But this /is/ 2010, after
all.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
At midsummer the sun is officially "gone" for
an hour or so but it's still daylight.
I suppose that would make for a great tan.
Not really, but then I don't get tan, just burned red.
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't own an air conditioner or a refrigerator or a tv or a furnace or a
computer. Don't work anywhere that utilizes any of those devices.
Hmmmm... I have a fridge... and a computer...
Me too. Which is why I'm not much in favor of eliminating coal and oil
by making them too expensive to buy.
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
Don't eat canned foods. Or frozen foods. Or meat. Fish is okay, as long
as you catch it yourself.
*takes bite from yummy ham sandwich*
Not a Grizzly sandwich?
Wouldn't that be cannibalism?
Ak! My mistake.
I suppose I should have asked if it were actually a Caribou burger.
You mean seal burger?
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by NeoLibertarian
Post by Veronica Karlsson
Post by Neolibertarian
In other words, adopt the lifestyle of the Amish.
Hmmm...
Typical Anglisher.
?
Pennsylvania Dutch for "barbarian."
*barr*barr*
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